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this is Jim semithan and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and this show is

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in conjunction with the upcoming

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Awakening Expo October 16 2022 at the

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Best Western Hotel Smokey's Park

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Conference Center Ashton underline I am

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very fortunate to be the emcee for that

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event and look forward to seeing many of

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you there who already have your tickets

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for the show have where you have to

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click and you can still buy those my

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guest today is the headline name and a

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fantastic lineup he is an author a New

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York Times bestseller with several of

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those books going on to become

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successful movies including the classic

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communion based on his own incredible

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yet terrifying experience one of my most

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regularly requested guests I'd like to

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finally welcome Mr Whitley strieber to

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the podcast rightly welcome

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well thank you very much for having me

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I'm delighted to be here and looking

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forward to October the 16th yes it's

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going to be a wonderful day and I'd also

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like to add that the visitors

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documentary about yourself and your

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story has just come out through the

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Travel Channel and Discovery plus and

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this gives an up-to-date revisiting of

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the events told by yourself and I

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thoroughly recommend people check that

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one out a heads up if you are in the UK

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a sky subscriber you get Discovery plus

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free for 12 months with your package and

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I can tell you that the visitors

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documentary is available on there too if

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you don't mind Whitley before we start

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talking about your Awakening Expo

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appearance can you begin giving a as

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brief a recounting of your initial

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experience some 30 years ago for those

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who might not be familiar

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yeah I I can certainly talk about it

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first uh the book communion has been

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republished just recently in in a new

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hardcover and soft cover with a new in

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brand new introduction to me by me and

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an audio version as well so it is uh for

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the first time since the book was

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written it isn't a there's a full length

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audio version and I've I read it myself

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all right so let's go back now to

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18 1985 it's the night after Christmas

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we're living in a little cabin it's our

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Summer Place and our holiday cabin in

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we have our home in Manhattan in

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in the South part of Manhattan Island

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we are at the cabin we've been there for

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about a week it's been a lovely time uh

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we had a beautiful Christmas we have a

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little boy my wife Ann and I he's seven

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and the night after Christmas we had a

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quiet Christmas dinner mostly of

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leftovers from the from the

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and we took a walk and it was a lovely

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evening snowing slightly and very very

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quiet because the cabin was pretty

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I I was sleeping normally until I

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sounds and movement

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shocked to see

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that I was not in

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anything remotely like my bed

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I was in a strange space which looked to

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and there were these peculiar looking

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creatures uh like big insects staring at

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of course I assumed I was having some

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and I tried to to wake myself up

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and the more I tried to wake up the more

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real my surroundings became until it was

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obvious that I really was in this place

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I began to scream and I Heard a Voice

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very gentle sort of female mechanical

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voice starts saying what can we do to

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help you stop screaming over and over

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these kinds of the big black eyes that

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you may remember on the cover of

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communion or if you go to Amazon or any

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of those websites you'll see the that

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same face on the cover of the book now

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I uh struggled mightily to get away from

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it was just appalling I I I didn't know

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what to think of it they raped me very

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forcibly with a machine that

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had some purpose for that I'm I've never

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been certain of but it it caused me to

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uh have a sexual

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uh it was just a a complete invasion of

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my body and being it was appalling they

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stuck a needle into the side of my head

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feeling

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very poorly

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and very confused and very disturbed

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and I asked my wife if there had been

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someone in the house during the night

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because I had traumatic Amnesia which is

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like the type of Amnesia you have after

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a car accident or a plane crash or

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something you can't put things together

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and I knew something was very wrong

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I said to her

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maybe an owl got into the house because

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I could remember these big black eyes

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and of course that was impossible

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because the house was closed up and

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there was no way for anything to come in

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so I I struggled with this over the next

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and about a week later I went to my

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doctor

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and he told me

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that I had been raped

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after he examined me and

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I it was appalling I mean that was sort

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of the beginning of the rest of my life

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I didn't occur to me that it had

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anything to do with what people call

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aliens

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I mean that was the that just simply

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wasn't something I thought about

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I thought I was losing my mind

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and the trauma caused me to have fights

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with my wife and

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I tried to tell her that to leave me

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because I was afraid that this happened

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again and I couldn't come out of it

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I would be

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her life would be ruined because she

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wouldn't be able to divorce me

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and she wouldn't have any income

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and she was trying to raise a child

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uh visits to the doctor I told him

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I thought I had

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I remembered being taken aboard a flying

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saucer by little men and that was what

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by that time I had remembered most of it

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because in many cases traumatic Amnesia

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just wears off

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uh we had further tests uh tests to be

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sure I didn't have a brain tumor or any

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other causative factor for

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hallucinations

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and then I decided Well maybe it's a

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crime has been committed of some kind

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maybe I was drugged by somebody because

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I was a fairly famous writer at the time

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I'd written a book called War day that

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a lot of political significance and it's

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quite possible someone might have

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assaulted me

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uh so that was my approach

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and I went to a psychiatrist Dr Donald

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Klein who was an expert in forensic

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psychiatry

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uh but I mean forensic hypnosis which

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enables you to people to remember things

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like license plates that cars that have

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knocked them down and things like that

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and he had quite a few over 70 cases had

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been solved using his techniques of

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memory recovery so I thought he was

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quite an expert

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but when I went to him

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all that happened was instead of this

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resolving into what we both thought

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would be some kind of a comprehensible

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thing that maybe I could see things in

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my memory that would bring up useful

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evidence to tell the police I'd already

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been to the criminal investigation

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division in New York and they couldn't

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do anything because you know the the

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investigator very gently put it you have

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no evidence that we can work with when I

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described what I remembered I can't

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blame him for that so

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uh it just became more clear

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and that was when the rest of my life

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began because I realized that whatever

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they had been real

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whether they're aliens or not to this

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day I don't know

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over the next few

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months I decided

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and my wife and I together that my God

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you know this is crazy this must be this

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is real they're out there

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and I I even scary as they were

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I started trying to re-engage with them

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because I thought it was the experience

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of a lifetime an incredible thing

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and I did re-engage with them

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and that's when the rest of my life I'm

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still engaged with them I've written

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many books about them with them

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I'm writing one about them now it'll be

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out before Christmas I hope

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I'm I'm they are they have become very

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much part of my life

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do you feel that initial experience

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opened the door so to speak on on those

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later experiences being possible or was

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it something you feel was always planned

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for you

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well that's a good question

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I have remembered things I think

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from my childhood

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I think this happened to me in my

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childhood

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but you know

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memory is people say well memory is very

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plastic no it's not plastic I know more

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about memory than most people memory is

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fluid it's really fluid you can make

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yourself remember anything

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you just it's very suggestible and fluid

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and very hard to be definite about

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so I can't be sure but I do have the

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definite feeling and there is some there

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are some evidence that this happened to

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me in my childhood

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so I wrote a book about that called The

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Secret school and I believe that

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that yes uh

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it may very well have happened to me in

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my childhood

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and so and and that would not be unusual

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because many close encounter Witnesses

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have the same experience that this is

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something that has been with them all of

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their lives and they often don't realize

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that until they have an experience in

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adulthood

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you often hear there's a generational

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link that it can also be potentially

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passed on through families was that ever

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something you investigated or looked

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into if if others in your past had had

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similar experiences

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well oddly enough that came to me very

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unexpectedly my father or my father's

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brother

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was in the Air Force in 1947 when the

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famous crash at Roswell occurred

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and after I published the book

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he telephone me he he was then living in

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retirement at a at a retirement Air

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Force retirement center in

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um San Antonio Texas

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and

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book

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and I thought well he's been in Air

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Force intelligence all of his life

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nobody knows a darn thing about what he

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did in the family except possibly his

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wife

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so yes I would be interested in talking

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to him I'd I in all the years I'd known

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him I had he's literally never said a

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word about his work all we knew was that

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he was attack he was

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um detailed to the atomic energy

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commission for many years

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so I went down to

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Texas and we had lunch at his retirement

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home

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and he proceeded to say my wife was

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there and his wife

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that he had been

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in the air material command

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at right field in 1947. this is the

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command where they gather all kinds of

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material from Fallen aircraft and so

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forth and study it

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and he said we were delivered

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material from a spaceship

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that had crashed in near Roswell New

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Mexico

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and I just want you to know

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I and most of my friends who are aware

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of this think there is really something

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in your book communion you really have

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had this experience and you question it

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very much in the book and that's good

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but I want you to know that I have had

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an awareness of this all of my career

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and I want to introduce you to someone

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who knows more than I do and he

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proceeded to introduce me to the retired

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commander of what it was then called

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base General

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Arthur Exum

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and general Exon told me

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that every and this is a quote everyone

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from Truman on down

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knew that what we had found at Roswell

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was not of this world within 24 hours of

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our finding it

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and he told me about the materials that

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they had found he told me about the

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bodies that they had recovered and

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it was a remarkable series of

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conversations

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so that's at this point

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I would say that it looks as if there is

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someone here

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from another world

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and now that the Navy U.S Navy has

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finally admitted that at least some UFOs

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are genuine unknown objects

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a person like me has to think

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well

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what's where is the other shoe going to

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drop because obviously someone's coming

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out of them

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and I've been face to face with them

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many times

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so

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that's where this stands really at the

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moment

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for me when it comes to your case

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particularly the hypnotic regression

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tapes set aside for many others because

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that's not a piece of evidence you hear

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very readily at all and you can hear the

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tapes on your site unknowncountry.com

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I'll have the link for that in the show

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description and what really struck me is

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hearing the the genuine Terror in fear

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as you recall the experience and the the

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scream you make is really horrifying in

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the recent documentary The Visitors you

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struggle to listen back to the tapes

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yourself

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aesthetic as the aggression something

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you regret doing now or are you happy

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you've done it

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uh the documentary yes I'm very happy I

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did the documentary it came out really

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well they were sensitive to the material

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and they did an excellent job however

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I want to warn everyone listening to

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this that listening to those tapes

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should not be don't have your children

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in the room when that happens because

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you've not heard believe me human Terror

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that intense in your life I I guarantee

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it because it doesn't get that intense

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uh not even when we're in a truly

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desperate situation because there's a

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fear associated with this that is more

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than the fear of death

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and I was experiencing that fear

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especially in the first hypnosis session

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I was reliving that fear

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and

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you know I'm not alone in this there

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were Witnesses numerous Witnesses at the

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cabin and the documentary has a lot of

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them on the documentary I mean they're

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still alive

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so uh the you know this is uh not an

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isolated experience with one person

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having something all by himself at all

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it's and and also

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there are thousands and thousands of

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other people maybe some of your own

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listeners who've had the experience

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so it's it's it's definitely

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not isolated and not what they call

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anecdotal where it's just one story

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oh it's thousands of stories it

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certainly as let me ask you on that I

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recorded with Jim simivan just last

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night and he speaks very highly of you

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Mr stuber um I asked him this question

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that I'd like to ask yourself what

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advice do you want to give to anyone

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listening who does have those similar

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experiences like yourself but they're

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well there are

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some um

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some resources developing uh there's a

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group called The experiencer Group

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which I believe you find at

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experiencer.org uh but if you put in

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Google the UFO experience or group

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you'll have their you'll find their

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correct

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people involved in that who there are

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professionals involved in that who will

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help people

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uh there are other groups I'm sure I

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think the mutual UFO network has a group

449
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I don't know of groups that are

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specifically UK based although there may

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be some I'm not sure

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and what they're trying to do is

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basically give people a place to

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communicate with each other and to

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interact with Professionals of various

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kinds if they want to but to deal with

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trauma

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uh and that's a start but it's only a

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start there's so much more that needs to

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be done we we need to get to a point

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where the government's involved and that

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is primarily the United States

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government the UK government the

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Australian government and the Canadian

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government

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uh and to a less extent it's true in

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Italy and

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uh France

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you don't hear too many stories of this

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happening in Spain or

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Germany and it could be just a cultural

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thing that people don't talk about it or

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they have a different vision of it but

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it's time

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for us to try to heal this enormous

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wound because all these thousands of

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people have had this experience and been

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laughed at and scorned if they come out

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in public every effort has been made to

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make them look ridiculous

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when I

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it was early on I

483
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my rape was turned into an international

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joke because I described at one point

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in the hypnosis session the instrument

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that had been used to

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defile me as a rectal probe

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and that became a meme

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and I found I had the experience

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of living with

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my own experience of rape

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being something that people laughed at

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I still do live with that

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and that's a very hard thing and it's an

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awful thing to do to someone

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and the this group of people the close

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encounter Witnesses are the last group

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of people in our society who can safely

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be bullied

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and and and oppressed because of

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what they say they have experienced we

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don't do that anymore but in this case

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yes it's okay it shouldn't be

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that's a very true point and it's it's

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very unfortunate as well and for any new

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listeners coming on I've interviewed

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several members of the experiencer group

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including Jay Christopher King and a few

509
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more so if you want to listen back to

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those that allow those individuals to

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come on and share their stories much

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like yourself and I'll put those details

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for the group in the link as well if

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anyone does want to to reach out

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regarding their experiences

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your story Whitley is one that has

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resonated now for more than three

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decades why do you think your story

519
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:02,640
particularly caught people's attention

520
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:05,340
the way it did and still continues to be

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one that's talked about um above many

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many others

523
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well it was the first time anyone

524
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:16,860
had sat down and written about it in

525
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quite the way that I did

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uh

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my wife Ann was a very very fine editor

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as well as being a writer herself

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and she made sure that the book

530
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kept the questions open

531
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and it wasn't uh and it was also

532
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well researched in the sense that it

533
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makes sense it's it's not kind of off

534
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the wall you know it it all makes a

535
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certain amount of sense

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and

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uh

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it really struck a chord with people

539
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for the reason for that reason I that

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that it's powerful and makes

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good sense

542
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and at least I hope it does and

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also

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the the uh

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face on the cover

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of the book

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is a powerful mnemonic device I did not

548
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know that at the time but millions of

549
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,539
people on seeing that face remembered my

550
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God that happened to me I thought that

551
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was some kind of a nightmare

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and

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that changed everything it changed the

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world actually it made the closer

555
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encounter experience part of our culture

556
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rather than some isolated thing that the

557
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:44,280
government might like us to believe it's

558
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just a few nuts who believe things like

559
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that when the truth is it's a fairly

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commonplace Human Experience

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and can you imagine this experience has

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been with us we know of for at least 40

563
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:01,400
years

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00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,380
thousands of people in the U.S the UK

565
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,000
all over the world

566
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have

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00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,580
exp had this experience and many many

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have expressed themselves publicly in

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different ways

570
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:18,000
and no

571
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,220
health authority

572
00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:23,220
not the U.S Center for Centers for

573
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,620
Disease Control or any of the other

574
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:27,360
health authorities

575
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,059
have lifted a finger

576
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,220
to look into the lives of these people

577
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:34,200
not a finger

578
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:37,260
no effort has been made to determine

579
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,500
what this is from a mental health

580
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:42,419
Viewpoint and a physical health

581
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,299
Viewpoint and it does affect both your

582
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,919
mental health and your physical health

583
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,500
and that's not an accident

584
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:51,539
it's purposeful

585
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,659
someone suppresses

586
00:25:02,110 --> 00:24:56,720
the health

587
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,120
community and prevents it from from

588
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,440
examining this or it would have already

589
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,240
happened

590
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:08,340
can you foresee a time where that

591
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:09,900
changes

592
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:11,720
not now

593
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:15,539
we had a door opened a crack

594
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:19,580
when Leslie Keane and Cain excuse me in

595
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,980
2017 and Ralph Blumenthal and

596
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,320
published that story in the New York

597
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,200
Times about the Tic Tac UFO and then

598
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:30,539
eventually the U.S Navy admitted that it

599
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:34,020
was an unknown but now the U.S Navy is

600
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,100
saying

601
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,200
we don't have any intention of releasing

602
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,260
any more UFO video this is finished it's

603
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:42,900
all it's all secret

604
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,960
and that secrecy is like a cancer it's

605
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:48,360
it's a disease that that these

606
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,240
governments have it's not healthy I

607
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,120
years ago there was a wonderful guy

608
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,700
he was very eccentric

609
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,799
fellow political fellow in the United

610
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,240
States you've probably never heard of

611
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,340
him his name was Norman Thomas

612
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:04,740
and I was listening to one of the one of

613
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:07,260
his lectures one time and listening to

614
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:08,760
him talk

615
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:11,700
and he said

616
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,179
where the secrets start

617
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,640
the Republic

618
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,919
stops and he could broaden that to say

619
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,860
where the secrets start Freedom stops

620
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:25,500
and that's why you see these oppressive

621
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:29,460
governments of China or Russia or any of

622
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:32,100
those dictatorships

623
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,480
Iran they're all obsessed with secrecy

624
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:38,880
they hide everything

625
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:42,600
and the Western governments need to if

626
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:46,980
they are really serious about being

627
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,020
governments of Free People

628
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,960
they need to let us be free and make our

629
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,880
own choices and decisions and we can't

630
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,919
do that without information

631
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,260
and I'm not just talking about the UFO

632
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,960
phenomenon there's so much more that's

633
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,720
kept secret it's an obsession it's a

634
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:06,480
it's a Neurosis or even a psychosis of

635
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,500
government

636
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,200
they have to face the fact that the

637
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,020
people have a right to know and they

638
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,779
can't think clearly enough to be really

639
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:18,240
free and cast their votes in a proper

640
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:21,720
way unless they know what their world

641
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,179
actually is

642
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,700
and we don't it's kept from us it's

643
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:28,919
hidden

644
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,500
are you aware of or do you think there

645
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:33,600
are people like yourself on the inside

646
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,419
of government who have had similar

647
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,120
experiences to yourself involved in

648
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,640
either trying to get this out or trying

649
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,679
to keep it secret

650
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:46,620
I'm sure I know lots of people behind

651
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,980
the secrecy barrier uh and I know some

652
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,200
of their stories I'm assumed no one's

653
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:54,080
ever told me any classified information

654
00:28:02,350 --> 00:27:58,799
but yes you mentioned Jim semivan he

655
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,360
knows a lot of that information I'm sure

656
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,080
but

657
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:07,080
and I know that these people would like

658
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,659
to step forward I know some that aren't

659
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:12,000
known in the public in any way who wish

660
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:14,279
they could step forward and who feel

661
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:17,460
terrible regret about it a general Exon

662
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:19,260
felt regret about it that's why he

663
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:20,940
opened up and talked at the end of his

664
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:23,880
life and even left an in a brief

665
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,679
interview

666
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,080
with a couple of Roswell UFO

667
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,760
investigators Donald Schmidt and Kevin

668
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,880
Randall for one of their books and got

669
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,380
in trouble with the Air Force about it

670
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:36,120
they were very angry with him

671
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:40,020
uh so yes that I would like and I would

672
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,820
like to see some of the people

673
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:45,120
come out who are behind the scenes and

674
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:47,880
know so very much about this this is

675
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:51,000
this is a big thing behind the scenes

676
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:52,620
it's not

677
00:29:01,149 --> 00:28:58,500
a small Backwater the the core of much

678
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,159
of our technological development

679
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,640
especially when it comes to Metallurgy

680
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:07,320
rests in this

681
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,659
this has been a huge boon

682
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:13,980
for

683
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,000
the development of metals and materials

684
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,120
and and I would assume not only in the

685
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:24,059
west but in other areas as well

686
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:27,659
and they have been bled out into I would

687
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,419
assume into medicine where Ultra hard

688
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,760
metals can be used in Prosthetics like

689
00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:38,340
artificial knees and things like that

690
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:42,679
they have been bled out into uh

691
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:46,640
Aerospace where uh

692
00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:50,100
materials that have very high levels of

693
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,399
heat absorption and low levels of

694
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:55,980
friction generation and things can be

695
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,700
used to make extremely fast aircraft and

696
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:01,740
there's all sorts of things that have

697
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:02,940
been done

698
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:04,860
but

699
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,779
it's all behind this wall of Lies think

700
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:12,779
if someone like Stephen Hawking

701
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,500
had been able to really seriously think

702
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:18,299
about this

703
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:19,799
and know

704
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:23,399
what these that what these people were

705
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,799
describing was real

706
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,020
what a mind like that might have been

707
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:30,720
able to do with this material or the

708
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,860
great uh the the whole uh

709
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:36,059
anthropological Community the

710
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,140
sociological Community the community of

711
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:41,520
psychiatrists and psychologists and

712
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:45,240
neurologists they could all be brought

713
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:48,840
into understanding this through the

714
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,020
medium of what is available which is the

715
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,000
witnesses themselves

716
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,880
uh you know my wife Ann back she's

717
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,140
passed on

718
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,779
back in the old days we were getting

719
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,179
tens of thousands of letters in great

720
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:06,000
bags every day being brought up to our

721
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:07,559
apartment and poured on the floor in

722
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:10,740
heaps and I was overwhelmed this is

723
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,299
after the book came out I couldn't

724
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,220
imagine what we would do

725
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,080
and she said well we're going to read

726
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:18,840
them I said you can't read all those

727
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:20,100
letters

728
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:24,240
and she said well you might not be able

729
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,100
to but I can't and she hired a secretary

730
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,559
and they read them they cataloged them

731
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,500
they numbered them they organized them

732
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,899
by the thousands

733
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,220
and

734
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:40,500
now they are

735
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:44,640
in a archive at Rice University in Texas

736
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:48,120
a big American University very rich

737
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:49,039
University

738
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:53,340
beautifully archived and there for

739
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,940
Scholars and and and

740
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:58,260
of all kinds

741
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,220
to read and make use of the whole secret

742
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,200
of contact

743
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,679
lies in that archive

744
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,200
saved by Anne streber thanked the Lord

745
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:13,380
she had the foresight she said one day

746
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,679
with Lee these will be useful and they

747
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,200
are now in fact the book I'm writing

748
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,779
right now is called them and it's a

749
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,059
personality profile if you will of the

750
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,179
visitors through the medium of how they

751
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:29,580
have interacted with us over the years

752
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,980
and I use those letters at the core of

753
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,720
it

754
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,240
and that your wife and that's fantastic

755
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,059
work that she done before she passed did

756
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,039
she see or talk about any particular

757
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:44,100
pattern that she noticed through those

758
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:45,899
thousands of letters anything that would

759
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:52,070
not really

760
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:52,880
um

761
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:55,799
she did feel that it had something to do

762
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:57,419
with time

763
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,659
and she was ex my wife was extremely

764
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:02,520
smart she was the smartest person I've

765
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,720
ever known and she said that

766
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:08,820
she thought it had something to do with

767
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:11,700
movement through time and for that

768
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,760
reason it was going to stay out of focus

769
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,919
and ambiguous we were going to have to

770
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,140
work very hard to make sense of it

771
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,840
and she explained to me why this would

772
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:23,039
be the case

773
00:33:28,029 --> 00:33:25,080
that if someone was looping back through

774
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,039
time and trying to affect their own past

775
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:31,200
they would be under enormous restraint

776
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,980
constraints and in order to

777
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:37,500
because you you can't violate something

778
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,820
called the

779
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:41,039
grandfather paradox

780
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,500
and the universe won't let you change

781
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:45,899
your past in other words essentially

782
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,659
but there's ways out

783
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,760
and she understood the physics of that I

784
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:51,840
don't

785
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:55,140
uh but I wouldn't say that there was

786
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,260
like oh everyone saw the same belt

787
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:00,600
buckle or something not at all the

788
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:03,480
experiences are really complex and and

789
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:04,760
very

790
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,220
uh different I guess there's one thing

791
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,619
many of them did see those big black

792
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,369
you know let me are we on video or audio

793
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,419
um I'll be on audio and video so both

794
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,520
yeah oh well good well for those on

795
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:22,500
video here's something you might be

796
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:24,119
interested in seeing

797
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,179
this is the original painting I'm what I

798
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,159
for those on audio what I'm doing is I'm

799
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,980
holding up a framed painting of the one

800
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:33,599
of the of the visitor with the big eyes

801
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,919
that you've seen on the cover of

802
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,020
communion just to show you this is the

803
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:40,139
original painting that was done with me

804
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:42,119
sitting beside the artist Ted Seth

805
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:46,260
Jacobs and and telling him exactly what

806
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,500
to do as we worked along together

807
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:52,260
so I thought you'd like to see that yeah

808
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,879
no I appreciate that and I'll try and

809
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,740
get a screenshot of that to put on the

810
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,420
social media as well for for those who

811
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,640
listen via audio so they they can see

812
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,400
that too the idea Whitley of time

813
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,800
playing a huge part in this and the idea

814
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,780
that for example someone like yourself

815
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,700
who may have had experiences in

816
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:10,400
childhood and then in later life

817
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,099
multiple times maybe these beings for

818
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:16,020
them happens over the space of half an

819
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,700
hour but for you it happens over 50

820
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:20,160
years that they they just and then out

821
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,140
and and part of your talk at the

822
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:25,320
Awakening Expo on the 16th of October is

823
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:26,940
how these beings have come back into

824
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:30,060
your life in later years afterwards is

825
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,500
that something you can expand on and

826
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:32,880
give the listeners an idea of what

827
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,380
you're going to be talking about

828
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:37,020
well I'm going to be talking about among

829
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,579
other things communicating with them and

830
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:40,680
what it's like because in nineteen

831
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:46,790
this object that's I'm touching for

832
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:48,119
those who

833
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:50,820
are listening rather than watching I'm

834
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:53,880
touching the back of my left ear where I

835
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,099
can feel a little bump

836
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,980
that is an object

837
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,240
that

838
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,480
is

839
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:05,880
I use for communication with the

840
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:08,820
visitors and I can I'm going to go into

841
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:12,119
in the lecture exactly how that works

842
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:16,020
and precisely what it it does because I

843
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:20,099
know it well I've used it in the writing

844
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:23,460
of numerous books and

845
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,940
it is a a marvelous research tool

846
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:28,560
the people who don't know really much

847
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,420
about these things always say well it's

848
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:34,079
a tracking device and I I said to Anne

849
00:36:38,569 --> 00:36:36,660
that when I first got into my ear and I

850
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:38,579
I felt it there I wanted to take it out

851
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,680
immediately I was very upset about it

852
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:42,599
and she said no no don't take it out

853
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:45,680
let's see what it does

854
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,020
and I said well wait a minute it's it's

855
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,660
probably watching me and tracking me and

856
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:54,240
I that's horrible I I don't want that

857
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,960
and she said Whitley nobody cares when

858
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:00,720
you go down to the shop to get a

859
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,740
six-pack of beer no one cares no one

860
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,200
from another world cares in any way

861
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:10,020
where you go and what you do you don't

862
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:13,800
have any secrets I don't want to insult

863
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:16,020
you in any way but frankly your life is

864
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:19,079
very plain and uninteresting so it's got

865
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,300
to have another purpose

866
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,760
and it took me many years

867
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:25,980
to understand

868
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:29,940
its purpose and to use it it turns out

869
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:31,320
to be

870
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:35,160
an extraordinary research tool

871
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:37,020
and in the lecture I'm going to go into

872
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,619
exactly more about how it works and I'm

873
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:43,520
going to show

874
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:48,300
images of it taken with a CT scanner and

875
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,440
so forth and also a video of the moment

876
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:54,960
the a doctor did try to remove it

877
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:57,000
because I wanted it out I was driving me

878
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,359
crazy and in 1992 I said to Ann I've got

879
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,160
to try to get it out and she said okay

880
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,280
we'll compromise you get one chance if

881
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,440
you get it out you get it out but she

882
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,839
knew so much about this stuff she knew

883
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,599
it wouldn't succeed I think and indeed

884
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:15,119
it didn't and you can see the video of

885
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,980
her and the doctor together at the

886
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:19,380
moment they open the ear and see it and

887
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,480
then what happens you'll see that too

888
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,720
I've also got some of the best video of

889
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,000
UFO video in private hands you know they

890
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,820
always say oh the video is it's all

891
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:32,640
blurry or it's obviously a fake I have

892
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,680
some video that's not blurry and it's

893
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,380
not a fake and I'll show that as well

894
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:39,240
I look forward to seeing that and I'm

895
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:40,980
sure the the listeners that attend will

896
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:43,800
too and many of those listeners who

897
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:45,780
don't get to attend or haven't got to

898
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,220
speak to you personally have sent in

899
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,619
questions and in the time remaining I'd

900
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:51,180
love to get through some of those if you

901
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:52,140
don't mind

902
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,820
um your questions are quite varied as

903
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,280
well so we'll get straight into them and

904
00:39:01,490 --> 00:38:58,619
the first question Whitley is from dmax

905
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:01,500
and he asks or they ask what does

906
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,480
Whitley think the connection between the

907
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:06,000
phenomena and religion is are the

908
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,040
hitchhikers and poltergeists the same

909
00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:10,320
thing as demons and possessions to the

910
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,630
well that's a huge complicated question

911
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:18,960
this is

912
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,079
intimately integrated into the religious

913
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,660
experience around the world

914
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:27,720
in fact next week and the week after on

915
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:30,839
my my podcast Dreamland I'm going to be

916
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,099
talking about that with some experts uh

917
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:38,099
Diana Walsh basilka who wrote American

918
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:39,780
cosmics you may have had her on your

919
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:44,780
show yeah uh Jeffrey kreipel and another

920
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:47,339
extraordinary expert who is not well

921
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,320
known John Santos

922
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:52,320
and we will be

923
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,460
talking about that very subject but to

924
00:40:02,750 --> 00:39:59,820
try to look at this through the lens

925
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,760
of religious experience

926
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,280
is a significant mistake

927
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,040
in other words to try to see it

928
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:11,760
in the context of well I believe in

929
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:14,820
God's in demons and this and that and

930
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,500
these must be demons because of what

931
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,700
they do

932
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,520
is a mistake

933
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,140
uh we're looking at something much

934
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:25,680
different from that they are

935
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,300
very difficult to deal with believe me

936
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,579
and I'll tell some hair-raising stories

937
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:34,200
about that

938
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:38,400
but we have to see this more clearly

939
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:40,859
than the various religious contexts

940
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:43,859
allow us to the Christians would say

941
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:47,339
they are dangels and demons the Muslims

942
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:50,520
would say they are gin of various kinds

943
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,060
other religions would say other things

944
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:56,400
and these are all in some sense true

945
00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,440
but each one

946
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:00,680
limits itself

947
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:04,800
to the channel of that set of beliefs

948
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,740
and yet each one obviously has some

949
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:09,480
truth in it

950
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,680
so

951
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,780
you know what you what you come to there

952
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:13,980
is

953
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,740
you have to look at it in the context of

954
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:19,200
all of these religions and try to see it

955
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:23,099
more objectively then that allows and

956
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:25,800
then you begin to get some idea of

957
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:28,260
something true

958
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,079
no I like that um and on a similar vein

959
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,540
Jessica asks does Whitley think there is

960
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,180
any danger in humans initiating contact

961
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,280
with these beings

962
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:41,040
I think the danger is extraordinary

963
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:43,020
I think it's extraordinary on a personal

964
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:44,220
level

965
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:47,099
I think but more importantly on a social

966
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,820
level it's extraordinary look at the the

967
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:53,760
you know we have history on our planet

968
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:57,060
of what happens when a technologically

969
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,140
superior but ethically

970
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:03,300
indifferent

971
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,839
culture comes into contact with a an

972
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:09,599
inferior one a lot of it the whole of

973
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:14,940
the western world did that uh the

974
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:18,740
when the Spanish Spaniards arrived in

975
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,660
mesoamerica and Peru

976
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:23,700
within a few years

977
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,339
those populations had plummeted in their

978
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,500
and their cultures of thousands built up

979
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,240
over thousands of years are completely

980
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,920
destroyed

981
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:34,680
uh and when

982
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:37,859
the British the Dutch the French to a

983
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,660
lesser extent the Germans

984
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:42,300
the Portuguese and to some extent the

985
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,560
Spanish

986
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,440
spread out across the world

987
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,380
in to colonize it

988
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,960
or all of those cultures received

989
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,240
tremendous shocks

990
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:56,460
and even

991
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,540
when it is attempted to not Shock the

992
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:03,180
cultures it happens

993
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:04,500
and

994
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:05,819
it it

995
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,079
um

996
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,839
I think our visitors are being one of

997
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,760
the reasons that their secrecy is so

998
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,460
great because remember the secrecy might

999
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,680
our government might governments might

1000
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:19,319
be very secretive but the secrecy really

1001
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,060
starts with them doesn't it because they

1002
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,819
could come out and be known make

1003
00:43:26,589 --> 00:43:25,619
themselves known publicly probably in

1004
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:26,599
five minutes

1005
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:29,880
but they don't therefore their secrecy

1006
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:32,460
is also part of their policy then why

1007
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:33,780
would that be

1008
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,619
that is I think primarily because of the

1009
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:40,560
fear of cultural colonization

1010
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,560
that we will immediately as soon as they

1011
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,560
show up we will refocus our entire

1012
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,140
culture toward them and we'll end up

1013
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:51,660
like the peoples of so many different

1014
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,020
areas in the world when the British

1015
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,940
showed up or the French or the Europeans

1016
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:58,740
in general showed up

1017
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,619
they suddenly felt very they felt like

1018
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,359
idiots you know what are these

1019
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,520
ridiculous Gods we have here they are

1020
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:07,260
with these ships and wonderful knives

1021
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:09,720
and all kinds of guns and all kinds of

1022
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:12,119
fabulous stuff and we're we're doing

1023
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,420
dealing with stone axes

1024
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:17,460
obviously we've got the wrong gods

1025
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,599
and and uh you know and and so they

1026
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,300
abandoned their cultures and you see the

1027
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:26,940
results of that in uh in like an

1028
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,960
American Samoa which uh which has got a

1029
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,240
very high rate of alcoholism and

1030
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:35,040
alcoholism is endemic

1031
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:37,619
throughout the Canadian and America and

1032
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:39,740
and and and U.S

1033
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,540
indigenous communities because they feel

1034
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,579
disenfranchised

1035
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,020
we're going to have the same thing

1036
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:48,900
happen on a massive scale if they come

1037
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,140
out in the wrong way from caddy she asks

1038
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:54,119
do you think when we die we go on to

1039
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,460
exist in a different state to our known

1040
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,859
physical selves and that we share that

1041
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,960
environment with life that once existed

1042
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,060
existed physically elsewhere throughout

1043
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,060
the Universe She adds in other words the

1044
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,220
death of her physical being releases us

1045
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,920
somehow to a shared place not bound to

1046
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,720
very physically existed

1047
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:14,700
if that makes sense

1048
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,160
after my

1049
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:19,800
wife and died and

1050
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,700
in August of 2015.

1051
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,920
she immediately returned

1052
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:28,800
in very clever ways

1053
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,819
that had been pre-arranged

1054
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,020
and

1055
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:36,240
to be specific

1056
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,280
she came back to

1057
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,140
friends

1058
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,839
who had not been told of this

1059
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:44,040
arrangement

1060
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,180
the first of us who died

1061
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:50,220
would come back

1062
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,579
not to the other one but to friends and

1063
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,700
tell the friends to communicate

1064
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,800
and that happens started happening an

1065
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,020
hour and a half after she passed away

1066
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,300
and happened for a couple of weeks

1067
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,920
thereafter

1068
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:07,760
and I did succeed in getting into

1069
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,579
verifiable communication with her

1070
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:13,800
and I wrote a book about it called the

1071
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:16,619
afterlife Revolution I wrote it with

1072
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,980
Anne and Anne is as she put it right

1073
00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:22,560
after she passed away I'm not Anne

1074
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:25,319
anymore but I will be always be and for

1075
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:26,220
you

1076
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:31,079
I think it is a fact

1077
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:33,720
that we have lived many lives

1078
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:36,540
who is living those lives it's not you

1079
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,020
or me we're only here for one life but

1080
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:42,240
someone else is living the lives

1081
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,020
and whoever that is is who

1082
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:48,599
we've become once again after we pass

1083
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:49,619
away

1084
00:46:56,170 --> 00:46:53,280
and then we may go on to return to this

1085
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,180
world or Another World quite possibly

1086
00:47:03,170 --> 00:46:59,640
or not to return at all

1087
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:03,180
but Annie is still so much with me

1088
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:04,920
that

1089
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,160
I consider us to be two Souls

1090
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:11,760
with one body left only and to honor

1091
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:14,579
that I wear both her wedding ring and my

1092
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,400
wedding ring side by side on

1093
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:19,380
my left hand

1094
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,380
she's on my pinky because she's much too

1095
00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:26,400
small to be on my my ring finger but to

1096
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:30,140
honor that and uh she is very very

1097
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:34,800
engaged in my life and in the lives of

1098
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:37,220
many people and

1099
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:41,400
she before she died

1100
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,760
she in in January she died in August and

1101
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,560
January without my knowing what she was

1102
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,900
doing she started the process of

1103
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:51,359
creating an avatar that could be

1104
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:54,180
recognized after she died by anyone who

1105
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:55,619
knew about it

1106
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,960
uh it's a white moth and what happened

1107
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,220
was

1108
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,160
she began saying to me that I had to

1109
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,500
memorize a certain point called song of

1110
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,020
the wandering Angus by W.B Yates

1111
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:09,119
and when I failed because I'm not good

1112
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:11,880
at memories she cried and she was

1113
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,619
already quite sick then but we didn't

1114
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,040
see her death coming certainly I didn't

1115
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,140
and she did but I didn't

1116
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:21,900
and so I did memorize the poem

1117
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:26,160
and one of the lines in the poem is when

1118
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:28,260
white moths are on the wing

1119
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:30,599
and the moth-like stars are flickering

1120
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:31,319
out

1121
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:35,160
that phrase white moths is important

1122
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,359
and after she passed away this house as

1123
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:41,339
you may imagine it was somebody like me

1124
00:48:44,589 --> 00:48:43,079
with all these experiences is filled

1125
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,599
with cameras

1126
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,760
I live in a sea of cameras I have for

1127
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:50,220
years I've never gotten any visitors on

1128
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:51,960
them but I certainly try

1129
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,060
in any case

1130
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,359
I was at a convention and this strange

1131
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,800
thing one of the cameras started

1132
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,900
reporting activity and I looked and

1133
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:02,880
there was this moth flying around in

1134
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,260
front of the camera

1135
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:07,140
and I thought how odd how odd that a

1136
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,780
moth would be there and how odd that it

1137
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:11,220
would just fly back and forth in front

1138
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:12,660
of the camera what could be going on in

1139
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,740
my house

1140
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:15,780
when I came back there were no moths

1141
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,420
there was nothing no sign of anything

1142
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,520
this happened a number of times and

1143
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:22,260
finally someone said to me well you know

1144
00:49:24,670 --> 00:49:23,339
Whitley

1145
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,680
uh

1146
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:27,180
I have a feeling that moth has some

1147
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,339
psychic significance

1148
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,619
and then I remembered the poem The White

1149
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,839
must and then I remembered the critical

1150
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:35,099
thing

1151
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,520
her favorite short story of mine had

1152
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:41,640
been called the white moths

1153
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:45,420
and it's about an old woman who dies and

1154
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,819
it and is in the process of discovering

1155
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,760
that she has died

1156
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:51,540
and then

1157
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,740
the white moth became very organized

1158
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,800
and it it would show up like I was

1159
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:02,160
telling my son about the white moth one

1160
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,740
day before Christmas on the on the day

1161
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,000
before Christmas

1162
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,119
a few weeks after this started

1163
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,000
and I was at his house and which is

1164
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:13,920
another part of California

1165
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:16,680
and the camera

1166
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,560
suddenly sent a signal saying it was

1167
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,900
seeing movement and when we looked there

1168
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:23,579
was the white moth flying back and forth

1169
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,560
of the front of the camera while I was

1170
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,300
telling him about it

1171
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,180
and then I I was at a conference a big

1172
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:33,660
Conference of Scholars and academics and

1173
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:34,920
scientists

1174
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,520
and explaining the white moth and the

1175
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:40,140
whole story of Anne's afterlife

1176
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:42,900
experience and so forth with them and

1177
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,420
right in the middle of this conference

1178
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,640
a white moth appears in the conference

1179
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,800
room and begins to fly around the

1180
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:51,599
concert's room everyone is clapping and

1181
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:54,119
cheering of course because it's in a

1182
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:55,619
situation where it couldn't have just

1183
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:56,700
appeared

1184
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:00,300
and then not only that it lands on the

1185
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,240
head of a man called Jeremy vaney who

1186
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,920
was a podcaster who was a great favorite

1187
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,480
of ants

1188
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:08,940
and so I take a picture of the white

1189
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:11,940
moth sitting on his head and it flies up

1190
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,099
flies into the middle of the room and

1191
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:16,319
just evaporates just before all of our

1192
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,700
eyes

1193
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,500
that was remarkable

1194
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,680
so that tells me this

1195
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:25,079
there is an afterlife

1196
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,400
questioner

1197
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,559
and I've told you all I know about it

1198
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:30,960
which is more than most I think at this

1199
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:34,559
point as to the details of where we go

1200
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:38,880
and what it may be like that is

1201
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:42,000
behind the veil from you still

1202
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,800
I appreciate you talking here directly

1203
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,839
about your wife as well and I spoke to

1204
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,460
my wife just before coming to record

1205
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,680
this and I told her about your your

1206
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,140
story of The Pact he had with your wife

1207
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,780
and and she was telling me she it gave

1208
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:57,119
her a lot about Comfort the idea that

1209
00:52:01,870 --> 00:51:59,640
there is something after but the idea

1210
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:01,880
also still scares her slightly that

1211
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:04,500
things continue so she wasn't too sure

1212
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,540
what to think of it but thanks for for

1213
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:08,160
sharing that story

1214
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,200
um a couple of questions uh to finish

1215
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:12,960
off one from Brian Brian asks are

1216
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:15,000
abductions or engagements like this

1217
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,740
still happening in the world as

1218
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,480
frequently from what you've heard or

1219
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:21,119
know it seems like Abduction cases have

1220
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:22,980
fallen off and why do you think that may

1221
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,300
be

1222
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:26,940
I think that the abductions were a

1223
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,180
collection effort they collected sexual

1224
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,599
material and probably DNA and not just

1225
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:35,520
from us I think they probably collected

1226
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:38,040
it from animals and plants too I think

1227
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:42,420
they probably made a a

1228
00:52:50,349 --> 00:52:47,280
a kind of a library of life on Earth

1229
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,359
and it seems it started back in the

1230
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,760
1960s and the late 1960s and went up

1231
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:56,040
through the mid-1990s and dropped off

1232
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:57,300
after that

1233
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:00,059
and I think it was basically a

1234
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:01,859
scientific effort and I think it was

1235
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,680
done because they believe that life on

1236
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,619
this planet has a limited future they've

1237
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:09,780
been warning about climate change from

1238
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:12,119
the very beginning of my experience

1239
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:14,819
and that's true in the lives of many

1240
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,859
many close encounter Witnesses

1241
00:53:22,210 --> 00:53:18,960
and yet we live in a world where it's

1242
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:22,220
considered unimportant and it's denied

1243
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,740
but in Europe right now to a lesser

1244
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:28,800
extent in the UK there's a catastrophic

1245
00:53:33,549 --> 00:53:31,140
drought there's a catastrophic drought

1246
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:33,559
in the Western United States

1247
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,260
none floods and inundations the climate

1248
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:40,319
is in upheaval and that will only get

1249
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,339
worse

1250
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:43,140
so they were right

1251
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:46,859
and I think that they

1252
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,900
this is insurance

1253
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:51,599
so that there will be a record of us

1254
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,020
after we're gone if we go and I think

1255
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:58,200
that is still very much an open question

1256
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,140
and one final question from Tim he asks

1257
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,540
please ask Whitley about his time with

1258
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:05,880
the Bledsoe family why and whatley's

1259
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,420
opinion as their case so unique

1260
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:11,940
the Bledsoe family yes

1261
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:15,680
uh you well I don't talk much about

1262
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:18,960
person personal things like you'd have

1263
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:22,260
to ask Chris belitso that question uh I

1264
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:26,520
but I do think that some some cases if

1265
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,160
you if you notice this

1266
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:31,500
and then turn toward it

1267
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:33,960
it is going to notice you and turn

1268
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:36,800
toward you and that is

1269
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,740
quite a familiar pattern in all the

1270
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,540
people who have had extensive Close

1271
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,720
Encounters mostly

1272
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,920
occasionally there are people who they

1273
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:48,660
just won't leave alone

1274
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:50,339
but mostly there are people who

1275
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,099
basically turn toward it like I did or

1276
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:55,140
and others have

1277
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:58,440
uh and when you turn toward it

1278
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:00,839
it turns toward you

1279
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:03,839
that's essentially it right but to I I

1280
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:05,940
would prefer not to discuss specific

1281
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:07,740
people

1282
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:10,140
no that's fine hopefully Mr Bledsoe is

1283
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:11,819
going to be on the podcast at later in

1284
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,520
the year with his book UFO of God due

1285
00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:16,200
out so I'm in the queue for an interview

1286
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,540
there so fingers crossed that one that

1287
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:20,640
one comes through and Whitley you've

1288
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:22,200
been wonderful with your time uh

1289
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,819
apologies to those who I couldn't get to

1290
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,920
your questions and but I'm very much

1291
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,660
looking forward to meeting you and the

1292
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:29,760
other guests at The Awakening Expo

1293
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,760
October 16 2022 at the Best Western

1294
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,280
Hotel Smokey's Park Conference Center

1295
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,160
and Ashton underline the tickets are

1296
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:40,079
still available and the link is in the

1297
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,819
description I would encourage you if you

1298
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,200
can to get yourselves along it's going

1299
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,119
to be a wonderful day and really it was

1300
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,040
a pleasure speaking with you well thank

1301
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:49,980
you and I'm I'm very open you know don't

1302
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:52,140
be afraid to approach me I'll be there

1303
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:53,819
with a bunch of friends and we expect to

1304
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,040
have a lot of fun Folks at the start of

1305
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,140
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1306
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,180
and it kick-started me to getting fitter

1307
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,160
healthier and generally looking after

1308
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myself better a healthier breakfast was

1309
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